On Mon, 15 Jun 1998, Dan Espen wrote:
> Neil Zanella <nzanella_at_cs.mun.ca> writes:
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 13 Jun 1998, brian moore wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun, Jun 14, 1998 at 12:14:09AM -0500, Nathan Froyd wrote:
> > > > Neil Zanella wrote:
> > > > > Has anyone taken up the task of developing a follow-mode like feature
> > > > > for the window manager?
>
> Neil,
> I think this is the second time you have asked this question. I
> don't think you have convinced anyone that there is a pressing need
> for this. In your original description of "follow-mode" you referred
> to the [X]Emacs "follow-mode" package. Since the functionality
> required is already in [X]Emacs, why aren't you using that?
Why? Because I want to do the same thing with vi and the various vi clones
and don't like the viper vi implementation that comes with Emacs that
much. Plus, with Emacs (I never used Xemacs but Emacs which I have used
can run in X mode or text mode) you can use follow-mode within a same
FVWM window but you can't use follow mode amongst separate windows.
You can have this:
+--------- Emacs ----------+
+--------------------------+
|1 |56 |
| | |
| | |
| | |
| | |
|55 |110 |
+--------------------------+
but you can't have this:
+---Emacs ---+ +---Emacs ---+
+------------+ +------------+
|1 | |56 |
| | | |
| | | |
| | | |
| | | |
|55 | |110 |
+------------+ +------------+
I will make another suggestion to the Emacs developers pertaining to this
feature then. Actually, here is where the problem comes in. In the latter
picture, both "Emacs" windos would have to have the same toolbar color.
If not, then scrolling down a highlighted window would move the cursor in
a nonhighlighted window. Really, this should be a window manager feature.
Even without follow-mode, having two windows display the same thing would
be nice. Just like 2 windows in Emacs without follow mode. Why should
everything appear in "one" rectangular box. Why not have things displayed
in more than just "one" rectangular box?
Neil
>
> > > > I think somebody posted this a few days ago. Does anybody else
> > > > understand this concept or why it would be useful? And anyway, I think
> > > > it has to be at the application level, not the window manager level.
> > >
> > > Yeah, if I understand it, imagine opening something like Netscape that
> > > takes half your screen top to bottom:
> > >
> > > +------------------+
> > > | +-----+ |
> > > | | | |
> > > | | | |
> > > | | | |
> > > | | | |
> > > | +-----+ |
> > > +------------------+
> > >
> > > The request is to allow making Netscape think that it is twice as tall
> > > as it is, and then take the 'bottom' half and move it to the right:
> > >
> > > +------------------+
> > > | +-----+ +-----+ |
> > > | |Top | |Bottom |
> > > | | | | | |
> > > | | | | | |
> > > | | | | | |
> > > | +-----+ +-----+ |
> > > +------------------+
> > >
> > > I don't think you can do that without running Netscape in a virtual
> > > frame buffer and then ripping apart things for the real server.
> > > It's not really a Window manager thing to solve. (And, gads, it would
> > > get confusing real fast: think of scrollbars and how scrolling up would
> > > move from the right window suddendly to the left...)
> > >
>
> This description of the functionality you want is markedly different
> than the way I described what you wanted last week. Yet you haven't
> clarified either description.
>
> (My description required virtual (synthetic) keystrokes and some
> method of window pairing, this description creates virtual windows.)
>
> > Sure every feature has it's drawbacks. I don't think it would be
> > that confusing altogether if one knows what they're doing. Myself, I
> > don't use _all_ of the options that come with fvwm. I just use the
> > ones that would be handy to me. Just like I don't use the "stay on
> > top" option with all objects I could restrict using this option with
> > text editors only or so.
>
> I suggest that you will first have to describe what you want clearly,
> then you will have to convince someone that the feature is so useful
> that they will use it enough to pay back the time invested.
>
> Perhaps if you went into more detail about the problem you are
> having...
>
> Fvwm has a lot of great features, but the best part is that anyone can
> change the source code.
>
> > Neil
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Received on Mon Jun 15 1998 - 11:55:13 BST