Re: FVWM: kde and gnome compliant?

From: Erik Steffl <esteffl_at_pbi.net>
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:32:18 -0800

  note that:

  X server, provides graphics&video services, is the only one that talks
to hw, that's where the support for multiple monitors/video cards is -
it can either provide one screen or few screens (for the physical
'screens')

  window manager: program that connects to X server just like any other
(sort of) X client and offers window management related services - it
provides borders and other window decorations and let's you manipulate
windows, it often provides various desktop level services as well -
menu, launch pad (button panel in fvwm), virtual desktop manger etc...

  kde or gnome: a mess of a desktop related stuff, they offer their own
(or preferred) winddow manager, session manager (replacement for xdm).

  to answer your question - you do not run gnome or kde. you run gnome
or kde preferred window manager if you want and you run various kde or
gnome apps. you can run kde and gnome apps no matter which window
manager you use. there are some hints that gnome apps use (probably kde
apps as well) but in general they are not crucial.

        erik

Peter Bismuti wrote:
>
>
> Hi, thanks for the info.
>
> I have a multi-head system at home, if I'm running FVWM, can I run GNOME or
> KDE on top of it? My understanding is that GNOME and KDE cannot be used
> with multiple monitors, can they if FVWM is the underlying window manager?
>
> How does one go about running GNOME and KDE on top of FVWM? I remember that
> in RH there is a file where you place either GNOME, KDE, or AnotherLevel
> depending on which you wanted to run. This seemed to suggest that you had
> to run one or the other, this was the source of my confusion
>
> Thanks again
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul D. Smith
> To: Peter Bismuti
> Cc: 'fvwm_at_fvwm.org'
> Sent: 1/31/01 1:03 PM
> Subject: Re: FVWM: kde and gnome compliant?
>
> %% Peter Bismuti <PeterB_at_PSSG.com> writes:
>
> pb> I'm noticing that there are a lot of new clients that
> pb> people are running on KDE and gnome, for example my
> pb> coworkder is using a new mail client that seems to work
> pb> quite nice.
>
> pb> Is FVWM KDE and GNOME compliant? Meaning can I run these
> pb> clients under FVWM? If not, when will they be?
>
> The 2.3.x betas and forthcoming 2.4.x release of FVWM are GNOME
> compliant.
>
> As soon as someone who knows something about KDE implements it or helps
> one of us implement it, FVWM will be KDE compliant, too.
>
> Please note that even if the WM is not <desktop>-compliant, you can
> still run the applications!
>
> The applications will put up special hints that a compliant WM will use
> to allow enhanced behaviors, so they will appear to work better in some
> ways (dealing with WM issues like movement, iconification, etc.) with a
> compliant WM. But, they will still fundamentally _work_ with FVWM,
> regardless.
>
> pb> With the big push towards linux (did you read CNN today?,
> pb> IBM has promised 1 billion in developement in the Linux
> pb> environment), it seems that these two WM are getting
> pb> most of the attention. Is it possible that there will
> pb> come a day when it is no longer feasible to stay loyal
> pb> to FVWM?
>
> Please remember that FVWM is a window manager, and KDE and GNOME are
> desktop environments. Not the same thing at all.
>
> Both KDE and GNOME have window managers as components of the complete
> desktop. Both allow you to use a _different_ window manager if you
> choose.
>
> So, you can use FVWM with KDE and/or GNOME if you want. GNOME, in
> particular, has a suite of managers that it works with and doesn't seem
> to really prefer one over the rest.
>
> Some parts of FVWM overlap with some parts of the desktops; for example,
> FVWM has an icon manager/window list module, and KDE/GNOME have their
> own. That's no problem; you pick the one you like and use that, and
> don't use the other.
>
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