Re: FVWM: Re: "active focus" applications (MetaCard)

From: Merlin Hansen <Merlin.Hansen_at_Develcon.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 16:38:42 -0600 (CST)

[snip]
> > written that's implemented in Python/Tk. In the next release, you'll
> > be able to drive the thing almost entirely from the keyboard,
>
> Gee, and to think you could do this with Windows and OS/2 applications
> 5 years ago...

Nice attitude! You have a problem and an opinion so you start flaming
others?!? I would have thought you were attempting to initiate
conversation in a productive forum, not start a "my apps/opinions are more
advanced then your apps/opinions" war.

> > Nope, its just that not all applications manage active focus
> > correctly. Its one of the main reasons why I can't stand Netscape on
> > X. I hit Meta-O and the dialog that pops up doesn't get focus.
[snip]
>
> I see, let's take the only decent UI that the vast majority of X users
> have ever used and ruin it because it doesn't work well with the
> environment that works well with xterm windows. Your argument goes
> *exactly* to my point: users new to computers are much more likely to
> use Netscape than they are to use xterms. Fvwm should come with the
> defaults set to take this into consideration.

Hmm, first off all the developers here use xterm based apps extensively so
to them an "environment that works well with xterm windows" is definitely a
priority.

[snip]
>
> So you're saying that application vendors have no right to expect any
> sort of standardization of desktop environments? Hope you like hand
> building all your applications...
>
Secondly, I would like to thank the person who mentioned Xmouse.exe. I
just got it, installed it and played with it; via swithing between several
apps, selecting options that open dialog boxes, etc.

I love it, and will definitely be keeping it!

Now Scott. Have you checked out Xmouse and how it works? Bring up an
application (it has focus :), open a dialog box by clicking one of the apps
buttons (what do you know, the dialog box has focus even though the mouse
is on the main windo :), type and press enter (dialog box closes and focus
returns to app WITHOUT moving the mouse :), try another dialog box then
while it is open move the mouse to another apps window (the new app gets
focus :), move the mouse back to the dialog OR the main window of the
dialogs app (the DIALOG box gets focus in BOTH cases :).

This is how pointer focus should work...IMHO. Now I do not know if the
problem is with your application (MetaCard) or with fvwm (I doubt it, MO)
and I really don't care what the default focus paradigm is (I will change
it if necessary). BUT if you application doesn't work with my enviroment
the way I think it should (pointer focus compatible) I will find another
application, NOT another window manager.

Merlin.


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