>>>>> "Dominik" == Dominik Vogt <dominik.vogt_at_fvwm.org> writes:
Dominik> On Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 08:31:41AM -0400, Raymond Toy wrote:
>> >>>>> "Mikhael" == Mikhael Goikhman <migo_at_cortext.co.il> writes:
>>
Mikhael> On 28 Aug 2000 10:52:28 -0400, Raymond Toy wrote:
>>
>> >> Hmm, this is weird. When I run it under dtwm, xwininfo says Override
>> >> Redirect State: no. I wonder how rose knows how to set this? Can
>> >> rose figure out what window manager is running? Note that I start
>> >> dtwm and fvwm both via startx. The only difference is that I set
>> >> USE_CDE=yes to choose dtwm instead of fvwm
>>
Mikhael> Probably your application can know about dtwm running by USE_CDE or other
Mikhael> dtwm-documented methods (X Atoms?).
>>
>> I'm know just about zero about X. What are X Atoms?
Dominik> You can think about X Atoms as variables stored on the X Server that
Dominik> all clients can read. dtwm certainly sets a few custom Atoms that
Dominik> applications can read to detect that they are running under CDE.
Ok, I'll try to see what Atoms dtwm sets.
Mikhael> You can use "BugOpts RaiseOverUnmanaged on" in the betas to improve the
Mikhael> situation, but the real solution is to ask the app authors to fix it.
>>
>> Does this allow me to lower a window underneath an unmanaged window?
>> If not, then this doesn't really help either.
Dominik> With this option turned on you still can not access the unmanaged window
Dominik> in any way, but you can raise managed windows above it or lower them
Dominik> below it.
Well that's good enough for what I want. The Rose window already
comes "predecorated" with window manager buttons exactly like Windows
95, so I can iconify it as needed. I just need to raise and lower
windows over it. (Well, I can always iconify it, but that's a pain.)
>> I'll ask support to see if they can tell me how rose determines how to
>> set override redirect.
Dominik> I bet Rational sells their products as "CDE only" and they do not
Dominik> care about the conventions that apply to any X applications. Thus,
Dominik> if they do not detect CDE, they simply make the window "override
Dominik> redirect" and control it themselves. This violates the X conventions
Dominik> for client behaviour (the ICCCM2) and makes their programs virtually
Dominik> unusable on any other setup.
Certainly sounds like it. It's unfortunate. I hope it's an oversight
since their other applications (Clearcase, Soda) don't suffer from
this affliction.
Thanks for you help,
Ray
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Received on Tue Sep 05 2000 - 08:09:22 BST