Re: FVWM: Help! Windows keep dying on me...

From: Mikhael Goikhman <migo_at_homemail.com>
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 21:30:36 +0000

On 30 Oct 2003 14:15:17 -0500, Ryan Daly wrote:
>
> >See "Premature close of OpenInterface GUI" thread, November-December
> >2002. Bottom line: It's an RM6 problem. RM6 is an OpenInterface-based
> >GUI, with some very unconventional windowing behavior. For example, if
> >no window manager is running, the RM6 windows will unilaterally decorate
> >themselves using pseudo-MWM-style decorations (rather arrogant behavior,
> >to my way of thinking). The problem has been reported to Sun, but they
> >were disinclined to open a bug report - since RM6 works fine under dtwm,
> >olwm and twm, they would only sign up for opening a "request for
> >enhancement". We didn't pursue it here, so chances are good it's still
> >broken.
>
> That's not acceptable.
>
> I understand it may be a RM6 problem, or a Checkpoint problem (their
> windows cause the same behavior), or an EMC problem (their GUI seems to
> have problems, too), but why are other window managers able to handle
> the problem and not FVWM?

Unfortunately I can't help here, and I am not familar with the situation,
since I (happily) don't use propretary programs myself.

If I understand what Gregg Dameron said, this application has some
conditions looking like this:

  if (WM_DETECTED)
      do this
  else
      do something different

If the condition detects twm and dtwm, but not fvwm, then the application
executes different code under different window managers. This does not
say anything about window managers, this only says the detection code in
the application is probably buggy. It is not fvwm that closes windows,
they die because of some incorrect premise causing internal errors.

> It's forcing people like me to have to abandon FVWM, which sucks, but I
> have no choice. I can't work on the things I need to work on if the
> windows don't stay up.

You may try again to convince the application owners that this is their
bug, and they should fix some code in the application.

A similar attitude is seen on some web sites that are only written to
work with Internet Explorer. If you ask the site owners, they will answer
other browsers are broken (because they tested all browsers they have,
i.e. IE5, IE6 and it worked) and never suggest their site code is broken.

I understand your frustration. I am really happy I may live without sites
that require IE only. I don't know what I whould do then.

Regards,
Mikhael.
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Received on Thu Oct 30 2003 - 15:33:51 GMT

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